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Thursday, December 07, 2017

Peak humanity

Alas for the dreams of the posthumanists and progressives. Science has spoken. Humanity has peaked:
The human race has peaked, with mankind reaching its maximum limits for height, lifespan and physical performance, scientists have claimed. Despite stories that each generation will live longer and longer, a new report suggests there may be a maximum threshold to our biological limits that we cannot exceed.

In particular, the French research team behind the study found what appears to be a plateau in the maximum biological limits for humans' height, age and physical abilities. "These traits no longer increase, despite further continuous nutritional, medical, and scientific progress," said Professor Jean-François Toussaint from Paris Descartes University.
Well, we already know that average human intelligence has peaked. The consequence of preventing starvation in Africa has been to drastically increase the low-IQ population. IQs are falling everywhere from Great Britain and Germany to the USA and South Africa.

Forget colonizing space. The West will be lucky to come out of The Great Endumbening with functional indoor plumbing. Mark my words: civic nationalism will eventually be understood to be a more foolish, more societally destructive concept than communism. It is only surpassed in that regard by feminism.

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Blogger S1AL December 07, 2017 11:06 AM  

And so science caught up with athletic training basic knowledge.

Two decades later.

Anonymous Pitcrew December 07, 2017 11:09 AM  

Forget spaceships. Our civilization has to make a bunch of fat black people.

Civ Nats are traitors and liars. Nothing they do is Civic. Nothing they do is nationalist. They are liars. They just didn't like stage 4 Globohomoism so they want to go back stage 3 Globohomoism.

Anonymous BasedDeplorable December 07, 2017 11:11 AM  

I wouldn’t be too blackpilled about this, Vox. The techno-mandarins of the CCP took Lee Kuan Yew’s advice seriously (don’t let the fruit-pickers breed out of control); they’re sufficiently walled-off from the POZ - and, on my estimation, the’ll be a nominally Christian country by the time they reach ‘pseudo-first world’ living standards...

Blogger Brad Matthews December 07, 2017 11:13 AM  

Waiting for the resurrection then...should be a little taller with glorious hair.

Blogger James December 07, 2017 11:14 AM  

Must be true. Science never gets anything wrong.

Blogger RobertDWood December 07, 2017 11:21 AM  

Noah, Abraham and Moses would likr to dispute this finding.

Blogger Rabbi B December 07, 2017 11:22 AM  

Speaking of feminism, this is sure to brighten your day.

https://www.facebook.com/fckh8com/videos/1245571875547143/

Blogger Solaire Of Astora December 07, 2017 11:26 AM  

Maybe there is a brightside to the atheism of transhumanists. Maybe they will be willing to commit a few necessary genocides due to a lack of moral foundations.

Blogger SemiSpook37 December 07, 2017 11:27 AM  

Hmm. And for as much as we love to (rightly) mock Star Trek, the part where they had humans reaching 200 years of age seemed to be the most plausible out of a lot of other things.

And this is why I’m an engineer. Theory was always overrated to me. I just wanted I know how things worked.

Blogger Buybuydandavis December 07, 2017 11:28 AM  

Mankind will never fly. Faster than sound flight is impossible...

"Science has spoken"

Funny coming from VD.

The conjuction of this with the increasing hysterics over Civic Nationalism seems fitting. Hysterics are a sign you're losing the argument.

Blogger Koanic December 07, 2017 11:29 AM  

> It is only surpassed in that regard by feminism.

I don't think so. Japan will survive feminism, just as she survived the nukes, because she sayed racist. It really is an impressive cure-all.

Blogger Koanic December 07, 2017 11:29 AM  

*stayed

Blogger Big Bob December 07, 2017 11:32 AM  

I've often wondered if it could be proven that humans are degrading over time and eventually will get to a point where we can no longer live long enough to reproduce. If you take the biblical account as true, God created humans to live forever, but then cursed humans with sure death. Early biblical characters had lifespans of hundreds of years, but that has gradually been reduced over time. Could God have introduced a mechanism that not only produced death, but also increasingly produced genetic problems until we finally reach the point of total failure?

For those that point out that average life spans rose over the last 100 years or so, I'm thinking that it's because of better living conditions and medical care more than anything else. Once science can no longer overcome the additional genetic problems, will our lifespans begin to go down again?

Blogger Nate December 07, 2017 11:33 AM  

"Despite stories that each generation will live longer and longer, a new report suggests there may be a maximum threshold to our biological limits that we cannot exceed."

oh gee... that sounds familiar... a limit on human life span... now where have I read that before?

Anonymous patrick kelly December 07, 2017 11:33 AM  

Math is hard and Physics is an evil bitch ready to smash your skull against the brick wall at the speed of light.

Anonymous Killua December 07, 2017 11:46 AM  

Forget colonizing space. The West will be lucky to come out of The Great Endumbening with functional indoor plumbing

XD

Make toilets great again.

I guess our only hope is benevolent aliens finding the earth and giving us their technology.

Blogger Shimshon December 07, 2017 11:46 AM  

I doubt we've reached peak girth by far.

I've read that the Dutch, just since WWII, have grown significantly in height, and are now the tallest people in the world. Unless something has changed, they're still growing. I wonder what their secret is.

Blogger Howard Stone December 07, 2017 11:50 AM  

Peaked? Hardly, the first men were taller, smarter, stronger more viril, and lived much longer life spans ( hundreds of years). We’ve been able to use science and medicine to adapt and survive with debilitating genetics in a fallen world he’ll bent in killing us, and compared to those first men, we’re doing a pretty shoddy job of it. Not many men reach the age of 120, and when they do they’re derelict. Can you imagine the kind of superior body a man would have to have to live hundreds of years?

Blogger rumpole5 December 07, 2017 11:52 AM  

What a load of nonsense. With the crispr gene editing technology we will be able to pretty much produce (and "improve") whatever physical characteristics we want. Moreover, we will be able to implant digital devices for direct vs access and communication.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2017 11:53 AM  

Socionomics in action.

While stocks have sailed to orbit of late, evidence of a change in trend, i.e., the end of the Great Social Mood Mania, accumulates everywhere BUT Wall Street.

What a change is this OP from when the mania was firing on all cylinders and "everyone" thought manned missions to Mars, even colonization, was a given.

Social Optimism yields Big Dreams, Big Projects, short skirts, frisky people, pathological openness, expectations for conquering All Of Life's Vicissitudes, and Never is heard, a discouraging word.

Given the ionospheric amplitude of this mania, I shudder to think what nadir will be like when the pendulum swings equally far in the other direction in coming years and decades.

Blogger Howard Stone December 07, 2017 11:55 AM  

This is part of the argument for trans humanism. Our physical bodies have reached their peak. More and more we will be using technology to both exchange our bodies and minds and prolong our lives. They say this is the next stage in evolution. They call it progress.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2017 12:01 PM  

"Everything always gets better, faster, cheaper, snazzier,..."

Recency bias. Genetic engineering of humans is coming because....that's the trend. Ditto StarTrek transporters, because....Jules Verne & Atomic Submarines.

History hasn't ended, but when everything gets into gear to the downside, optimistic statements similar to @5, @10 and @19 will become scarce indeed.

Humans are not rational creatures, we're rationalizing creatures. All of us.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2017 12:02 PM  

@21 If people's connection to smartphones is any early indication of Transhumanism, I'll pass. There's a generation of kids coming up, raised on TV, Video Games and Smartphones, and you will NOT BELIEVE how dysfunctional that cohort has become.

Blogger tuberman December 07, 2017 12:03 PM  

I've been reading about such idiocy for nearly three decades now.

We just need stuff like Alt*Hero as the culture wars will be critical soon. I must have celebrated for two full days when VD announced Alt*Hero. No singularity, and shut down the Red Cross and their access to mind-control drugs for the NWO.

Blogger Koanic December 07, 2017 12:05 PM  

> If people's connection to smartphones is any early indication of Transhumanism, I'll pass.

You will pass, but not before you're surpassed.

Anonymous Pitcrew December 07, 2017 12:06 PM  

@21
More like the mark of the beast.

@10
VD was being facetious. Also, Civ Nats are liars and poisoners. It is not hysterics to call something what it actually is. It is a left-wing tactic to disarm the right of its ability to properly identify something.

Blogger tuberman December 07, 2017 12:06 PM  

The Singularity just = better Mind-Control. MKUltra and AdrenalChrome will be old hat.

Blogger tuberman December 07, 2017 12:10 PM  

Yes, you will be old at 35, unless that chip is in your rain, Gottya?!

Anonymous Grayman December 07, 2017 12:13 PM  

@22 DC

And if you told the Romans that lived sometime around the time of Christ that their common concrete technology would be lost for a 1,000 years on top of various other techs that were common to the day , they would have laughed at you then as well.

There is a huge cautionary tale to be heard for those who listen....


@19
Complexity is a bitch! break modern supply chains and you will be lucky to have easy access to advil much less anything more advanced.
A dark age is in no way certain but if we arent very careful we could easily crash into another one! Few people, even those who deal with them daily. realize how fragile modern tech is, how the knowledge is so specialized that if you disrupt even 2 or 3 steps of a supply chain the tech is virtually unobtainable for even very "basic" things.

Blogger James Dixon December 07, 2017 12:13 PM  

> With the crispr gene editing technology we will be able to pretty much produce (and "improve") whatever physical characteristics we want.

Biological improvements are still biologically based and have biological limits. Yes, you may get to 200 years instead of 100, but that's all you're looking at.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2017 12:14 PM  

@25 You will pass, but not before you're surpassed.

I sure hope you're right, because in a small sample size anecdote, the ability of 9/10 year olds to do "monkey-level" tasks and follow what used to be 3-year-old level instructions has collapsed.

These are youngsters headed to be utterly incapable of taking even rudimentary care of themselves, so if you're going to give them brain implants to help, for Heaven's Sake, get to it!

Blogger Howard Stone December 07, 2017 12:15 PM  

@Grayman, anyone who’s even had a tooth ache would concur.

Blogger Gordon December 07, 2017 12:16 PM  

Shimshon: I've read that the Dutch, just since WWII, have grown significantly in height. . . I wonder what their secret is.

Surrendering early, thus sparing your tallest, strongest men in two world wars, is a good start. Beyond that, I hear the food's pretty good.

Anonymous Pitcrew December 07, 2017 12:16 PM  

@10
So everytime someone properly identifies a liar in their midst they're hysteric? Seems like an Chomsky tool to disarm the right, once again.

I call a spade a friggin' spade.

Blogger tuberman December 07, 2017 12:17 PM  

There are tons of things wrong with Civic Nationalism, and it's the Right time to bring out those civilization destroying flaws now. Those seeds need to be sown, and the culture wars will help even more.

Blogger Resident Moron™ December 07, 2017 12:20 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:What a load of nonsense. With the crispr gene editing technology we will be able to pretty much produce (and "improve") whatever physical characteristics we want. Moreover, we will be able to implant digital devices for direct vs access and communication.

I always admire the humility in such pronouncements.

Then again, I've actually read Mary Shelley.

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2017 12:23 PM  

@29 Exactly.

How many here have read (and digested the message of) Leonard Reed's "I, Pencil?" If no man or isolated group of men has all of the knowledge to make a simple little No. 2 pencil, can we begin to imagine the isolated, globally-dispersed knowledge required to make a telephone today?

I think people grossly underestimate the artificial build-out of our lifestyle under the unprecedented social cooperation that characterized the last 50 years. When the pathological trust of this mania ends, swinging equally far toward distrust, fear and rage by the end of the "bear market," I can't begin to imagine what items we take for granted today will simply NOT EXIST.

The USA, as great as it once was, is not capable of autarchy with regard to today's cornucopia of toys, goodies and conveniences.

Just as tens of millions of jobs came to exist in Medical Services and other industries where borrow-to-spend wildly pumped up demand, globalism allowed social cooperation to expand the quantity and quality of goodies far beyond what even an economic powerhouse nation can produce alone.

What is coming is a period where we will ALL cut off our noses to spite our faces. Cooperation is going to break down and lead to conflict and war.

Blogger James Dixon December 07, 2017 12:24 PM  

> Then again, I've actually read Mary Shelley.

And what was your name again, Doctor?

Blogger Gordon December 07, 2017 12:24 PM  

Oh, and re: the Dutch. Don't they have a significantly higher percentage of gingers?

Anonymous 360 December 07, 2017 12:24 PM  

"The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away."

Blogger Timmy3 December 07, 2017 12:26 PM  

We reached peak Leftists Intellectualism. They are getting dumber. Slayed by their own mob rhetoric and violence.

Blogger James Dixon December 07, 2017 12:27 PM  

> If no man or isolated group of men has all of the knowledge to make a simple little No. 2 pencil, can we begin to imagine the isolated, globally-dispersed knowledge required to make a telephone today?

A modern telephone? No. One of the old style telephones from the early 20th century? Sure.

Blogger pnq8787 December 07, 2017 12:34 PM  

This is awesome, because now we have a ranking in order of destructiveness!

1) Feminism
2) Civic Nationalism
3) Communism

It's tempting to put triple parenthesis around all three. Notice how the scourge of Communism is still survivable by the nation. However that does make me wonder. I think the nation might be able to survive a bout of Feminism and recover but I think a bout of Civic Nationalism will be lethal every time, so maybe Civic Nationalism should actually be considered for #1?

Blogger Gordon December 07, 2017 12:35 PM  

Exactly, James Dixon. What's more, a surprising amount of the wiring is still in place for those.

Blogger Koanic December 07, 2017 12:44 PM  

Socializing youngsters is tribal tech. It hasn't ever changed.

There is no need for brain implants yet. Plenty of room to grow in keyboards and user algorithms.

Blogger tz December 07, 2017 12:46 PM  

The elites mistake is that the free market makes them richer in absolute terms.
They seem to want to return to the a few elites that can't even find craftsmen to create indoor plumbing because everyone is trying not to starve by trying to grow something in the dirt.
Aim at liberty and you get wealth and even more equality - compare blacks here v.s. Africa. Aim at equality, you will get elites and abject poverty and no equality.

Blogger S1AL December 07, 2017 12:52 PM  

Those prophesying technological collapse would do well to consider that the known ability to do something dramatically shortens the time needed to advance to that stage.

Anonymous Rien December 07, 2017 12:56 PM  

Nothing that a good K-environment cannot reverse.
We've been r-select for far too long, time for the K-shift.

Question: What have the unabomber and Trump in common?

Blogger Cecil Henry December 07, 2017 12:57 PM  



Already A Stranger In Your Own Country:

https://i.imgur.com/x5EtGPJ.jpg

Blogger dc.sunsets December 07, 2017 12:59 PM  

@42 How much of the materials in the structure of production of a 1965 telephone is located in North America? I don't know. I know that a No. 2 pencil's materials are not exclusive to NA.

What I'm talking about is the pyramid of sometimes tiny items, even specialized screws in a specialized machine used to produce a specialized component of a typical phone (or any product) have ONE SOURCE. It may be in Ceylon. Or Timbuktu, for all I know.

Yes, a good machine shop can make almost any small part. But not at production-level costs. Once you begin to look at the structure of production as a pyramid, and each item in that pyramid having its own pyramid, over and over and over again, you begin to see everything as a moving fractal of seemingly endless complexity.

Pull a single brick out of ONE of those many integrated pyramids and all of it stops.

The "secret" for making concrete was geographically dispersed, yet it was lost for a thousand years. Compare the "difficulty" of simply cooking limestone in a fire and crushing it to make cement, to the real trade secrets and highly complex manufacturing processes that yield our current lifestyles.

We live on thin ice.

Blogger James December 07, 2017 1:04 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:"Everything always gets better, faster, cheaper, snazzier,..."

Recency bias. Genetic engineering of humans is coming because....that's the trend. Ditto StarTrek transporters, because....Jules Verne & Atomic Submarines.

History hasn't ended, but when everything gets into gear to the downside, optimistic statements similar to @5



I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well, unless you include an emoji.

Big Bob wrote:I've often wondered if it could be proven that humans are degrading over time and eventually will get to a point where we can no longer live long enough to reproduce. If you take the biblical account as true, God created humans to live forever, but then cursed humans with sure death. Early biblical characters had lifespans of hundreds of years, but that has gradually been reduced over time. Could God have introduced a mechanism that not only produced death, but also increasingly produced genetic problems until we finally reach the point of total failure?

I think this is closer to the truth than you realize. I would differ with the wording, though. God's "curse", whatever that means, was not delivered after the fact. The "curse" was built into the system so that if fundamental laws or commandments were violated, the curse became active. Consider women and negroes. Women were designed to follow the leadership of their "head". If Man did not perform as he should, for instance, if Adam did not prevent her from interacting with Lucifer and did not put his foot down after Eve had "eaten the apple" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), woman's programming would have kicked in and she would strive with Adam for leadership. Negroes, at least the full-blooded ones, tend to be rather accepting of White leadership. As long as Whites display leadership behavior. Once that begins to deteriorate, along with miscegenation, blacks begin to question White hegemony and their behavior deteriorates exponentially. So, maybe we all have a built in self-destruct mechanism installed when violations of the Law occur.

The mechanism you postulate that results in death was "sin". God did not introduce that but once it occurred, he was as bound by his own Law as Man or the Earth was. I think it is also interesting to note that lifespans for the descendants of Adam decreased dramatically after the Flood. What was the difference? Well, according to those that believe that it did not rain before the flood (as specified in Genesis 2:5-6, "a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground"), a vapor canopy surrounded the planet. This would have decreased the amount of dangerous radiation striking the Earth, similar to the Van Allen Belt or the Ozone Layer. However, those verses also included the fact that there was no tiller of the ground, which was no longer true once Adam was created, and the verse was not a reference to Noah's time, but Adam's. Also, the word "earth" in the Biblical account of the flood is from the Hebrew word erets, which can mean "that place" or the earth in the sense of the ground, and not the entire planet. There is much that a local flood explains that a worldwide flood does not. For instance, the Flood supposedly occurred about 2345 BC. The early Egyptian dynasties were in existence prior to that date, along with writings that contain Egyptian history. That history did not stop, but continued in one unbroken tradition . If there had been a worldwide flood at that time, not only would Egyptian history have stopped, it would have taken centuries to get back to the technology and population of Egypt as of 2345 BC. The same is true of the Sumerians.

Blogger Metric December 07, 2017 1:06 PM  

Is it possible to be a conservative Christian and look forward to a technological civilization well beyond the confines of the earth? It would be good to know what they say about this, for future reference.

Anonymous Grayman December 07, 2017 1:12 PM  

@47 S1AL

I dont think anyone here is proselytizing tech collapse, only warning that things do not just go in one direction and there are very poignant examples of that in history.

Anonymous Grayman December 07, 2017 1:18 PM  

@50 DC

And not to be too spergy, but it was more than that as well, they used the pozolan ash they had available, making a terrific hydroloic cement. it worked but by all accounts I have ever seen they didnt fully know why.But that the cement "masters" knew you needed the pozolan ash.
Thats similar to a pencil needing a component that only comes from say China economically. to your point, break the supply chains and you have a BIG problem.

When empires fracture so do their supply chains and knowledge networks. Its a very serious risk the more advanced your tech is.

Blogger rumpole5 December 07, 2017 1:21 PM  

And... That means that we haven't peaked yet.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera December 07, 2017 1:22 PM  

The elites mistake is that the free market makes them richer in absolute terms.

"I would prefer to be the first in a small Iberian village than the second in Rome"

Blogger Robert What? December 07, 2017 1:23 PM  

"Forget colonizing space. The West will be lucky to come out of The Great Endumbening with functional indoor plumbing."

Precisely. IMO this is also why so many people believe the Moon landings were fake. Because the fact is, we could not do it today. So many people understandably assume that they couldn't do it back then with far more primitive technology. But the difference is, today we worship Diveristy and Victimhood. Back then, excellence and achievements.

Blogger Thucydides December 07, 2017 1:23 PM  

Somewhat OT, but if beating Progressives like a piñata is your thing, here is Bill Clinton on Illegal Immigration: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4351026/clinton-1995-immigration-sotu

Ask any Progressive how that speech is different from what President Trump is doing today, and watch what happens.....

Blogger pnq8787 December 07, 2017 1:24 PM  

1) Feminism
2) Individualism
3) Civic Nationalism
4) Communism

I'd modify the list slightly to include Individualism, the religion of the Conservatives and Libertarians. I think Individualism is the intellectual foundation upon which Civic Nationalism and Globalism are based. But if you really break it down you have there are only two poles:

1) Individualism
2) Collectivism

I think Individualism is the basis for civic nationalism, social degeneracy, anti-racism, anti-nationalism, and ultimately globalism. It is used to break down and subvert nations from within. Collectivism is the basis of Nationalism because only with a belief in the collective can you believe in preserving your genetic lineage and your shared culture. Obviously if you take it to to max on either extreme then the society malfunctions. The problem is, that ideological compromises don't fit into neat little systems which can be easily understood, communicated, and intellectually masturbated over. Compromises are inherently selected against in the darwinian meme-world. That's why the world always swings from one stupid idea to the next. I think the Japanese and Chinese had it right. The most important good is maintaining social stability. The Japs would rush any shipwreaked foreigner who landed on their shores and slay them without asking any questions. That's the way to do it.

Blogger Josiah Litle December 07, 2017 1:31 PM  

I wonder what the effect would be if selective breeding/genetic engineering were employed.

Blogger rumpole5 December 07, 2017 1:32 PM  

Hence the use of my quotation marks in "improve". The word "peak" also begs the question of what quality is good and what is bad. Whether we are rising or not. Given that our last century was so horrible morally and culturally, Was the better nutrition and disease control just a prelude to crispr Frakenstiens in this century? Perhaps we "peaked" in the Crusades that recovered the Holy lands, raised Hagia Sophia, or Salisbury Cathedral.

Blogger Koanic December 07, 2017 1:39 PM  

Transhumans vs subhumans is what happens when the performance differential between elite and average programmers scales out to the rest of the economy.

Which is why Starbucks kept the baristas and switched to selling blowjobs.

Anonymous Pitcrew December 07, 2017 1:44 PM  

@59
Collectivism minus the snakes and deceivers. Although deceivers are individualists. They put themselves before the collective. Thus- there is no perfect political system devised by man. Collectivism leads to individualism, and individualism to collectivism. So, no perfect system, until the Kingdom to come of course.

Slaying a shipwrecked foreigner would be against Divine law as spoken in Deuteronomy. You send the foreigner politely on their way back whence they came.

Blogger pnq8787 December 07, 2017 1:58 PM  

@63 ...and yet, if the Europeans had simply slain the first few innocent refugees to arrive on their shores, the message would have been sent and the massive human and cultural loss that is now inevitable could so easily have been avoided.

Anonymous Athor Pel December 07, 2017 1:59 PM  

" 8. Blogger Solaire Of Astora December 07, 2017 11:26 AM
Maybe there is a brightside to the atheism of transhumanists. Maybe they will be willing to commit a few necessary genocides due to a lack of moral foundations.
"


Because their brain implants tell them so. Borg collective here we come.




" 19. Blogger rumpole5 December 07, 2017 11:52 AM
What a load of nonsense. With the crispr gene editing technology we will be able to pretty much produce (and "improve") whatever physical characteristics we want. Moreover, we will be able to implant digital devices for direct vs access and communication. "



See.
...
Borg.


or better yet, Daleks

" EXTERMINATE ! EXTERMINATE ! "

Blogger Silly but True December 07, 2017 2:06 PM  

PC games' industry chief converger spills the beans on how he accomplished it:
https://www.pcauthority.com.au/feature/ex-bioware-writer-david-gaider-on-representation-in-games-479352

Blogger Koanic December 07, 2017 2:08 PM  

> The Japs would rush any shipwreaked foreigner who landed on their shores and slay them without asking any questions. That's the way to do it.

No it isn't. That level of isolation causes terminal technological and genetic stagnation. The Japanese got lucky that Americans are nice.

Blogger James Dixon December 07, 2017 2:11 PM  

> How much of the materials in the structure of production of a 1965 telephone is located in North America?

From memory, all of it. I think the primary materials you would need would be copper, steel, carbon (I believe graphite), and either wood or plastic for the casing.

Here's a page with a bunch of information on the model 500 (with schematics), which was the standard model through that time frame: http://www.beatriceco.com/bti/porticus/bell/telephones-500.html

But you don't even need one that advanced to work. Something from much earlier should still work fine.

> I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well, unless you include an emoji.

Nope. I know, it's easy to forget.

> Is it possible to be a conservative Christian and look forward to a technological civilization well beyond the confines of the earth?

Why wouldn't it be?

Blogger Tom Nichol December 07, 2017 2:14 PM  

Vox wrote,
"Mark my words: civic nationalism will eventually be understood to be a more foolish, more societally destructive concept than communism. It is only surpassed in that regard by feminism."


If true, we'll never know, because by then, we'll be too stupid to understand.

Blogger pnq8787 December 07, 2017 2:20 PM  

@67 I would not say the Japanese are genetically stagnated. In any case, evolution requires speciation which requires isolation. Also the genetically "stagnated" and high IQ Japanese realized that they needed to catch up to the West technologically to defend their nation. They industrialized in record time and went on to defeat a major European power on the battlefield. I think you are mistaken that the U.S. could have successfully launched a land invasion of Japan in the 1850's. All Admiral Perry's ships did was insult the Japanese pride and make them determined not to be humiliated again.

Blogger Koanic December 07, 2017 2:33 PM  

> I would not say the Japanese are genetically stagnated.

And I didn't say it.

> In any case, evolution requires speciation which requires isolation.

False.

> I think you are mistaken that the U.S. could have successfully launched a land invasion of Japan in the 1850's.

Americans could've eliminated the Japs like they did the Indians if they'd wanted to.

Blogger VD December 07, 2017 2:36 PM  

The conjuction of this with the increasing hysterics over Civic Nationalism seems fitting. Hysterics are a sign you're losing the argument.

No, lies are a sign you're losing the argument. And you are lying.

Now go away. Liars are not permitted to comment here.

Blogger pnq8787 December 07, 2017 2:53 PM  

@71 The point is that that level of isolation is not an inherent negative. I'm not suggesting that there couldn't be envoys to go out and learn from other cultures and bring what is useful back. In fact the Japs used Nagasaki for just that purpose, but that was the only town they permitted foreigners to operate. The point is that you can't operate based on your heartstrings and allow refugees to swamp your nation. Many non-isolated nations have been crushed by technologically superior countries too. It's not like diversity genetic influx and conflix it some kind of blessing.

Anonymous Pitcrew December 07, 2017 3:01 PM  

@64
Those were not innocent refugees. They were muslim invaders on hijra. Followed by cowards who would not defend their nation. They were not innocent fishermen or sea merchants.

Blogger Metric December 07, 2017 3:03 PM  

>> Is it possible to be a conservative Christian and look forward to a technological civilization well beyond the confines of the earth?

>Why wouldn't it be?

I ask because of end-time prophecy. If you're looking forward to the colonization of the galaxy, over timescales of millions of years, wouldn't that imply some things about Christian eschatology?

Blogger Desdichado December 07, 2017 3:07 PM  

pnq8787 wrote:@63 ...and yet, if the Europeans had simply slain the first few innocent refugees to arrive on their shores, the message would have been sent and the massive human and cultural loss that is now inevitable could so easily have been avoided.
They did. It was called the Reconquista, the reconquering of Sicily by the Normans, the centuries of Ottoman wars, and the Crusades as a rather mild punitive expedition into the heartland of the enemy.

They should have done a lot more.

Anonymous bbgkb December 07, 2017 3:12 PM  

Forget spaceships. Our civilization has to make a bunch of fat black people.

Latrina contributes far more to the GDP than the average RN, since all govt spending increases the GDP.

Speaking of feminism, this is sure to brighten your day. https://www.facebook.com/fckh8com/videos/1245571875547143/

Those are the same people who came out with coloring books for tranny kids & Santa Clause.

Leftists are celebrating a 10yo tranny now https://mic.com/articles/184860/preteen-drag-superstar-desmond-napoles-advice-on-being-yourself#.WDhPYH4JQ

I bet by the time he turns 35 he will be willing to toss jews into ovens.

Mankind will never fly. Faster than sound flight is impossible...

It took 60 years to go from Kitty Hawk to the moon but less than 20 to go from latin/greek taught in public high schools to remedial biology at Harvard Med.

Romans that lived sometime around the time of Christ that their common concrete technology would be lost for a 1,000 years on top of various other techs that were common to the day , they would have laughed at you then as well

When I toured Pompeii the guide explained how people used 2 different sized pots, sand, and a cloth to create evaporative coolers/refrigerators. 5 years after my tour a sand nigger claimed to invent it as zeer pots.

Complexity is a bitch! break modern supply chains and you will be lucky to have easy access to advil much less anything more advanced.

A govt study shows you can push back expiration dates of many drugs, some preppers stock fish meds
" 90% of more than 100 drugs, both prescription and over-the-counter, were perfectly good to use even 15 years after the expiration date."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/drug-expiration-dates-do-they-mean-anything


OT: Killua- did you see that your namesake is fighting with 2 jewish yoyos?

Blogger Buybuydandavis December 07, 2017 3:20 PM  

VD wrote:The conjuction of this with the increasing hysterics over Civic Nationalism seems fitting. Hysterics are a sign you're losing the argument.

No, lies are a sign you're losing the argument. And you are lying.

Now go away. Liars are not permitted to comment here.


Even stronger sign you're losing the argument - banning those who disagree.

Anonymous Ages December 07, 2017 3:37 PM  

The sting of death is sin.

Anonymous Reenay December 07, 2017 3:59 PM  

Even stronger sign you're losing the argument - banning those who disagree.

I don't claim to speak for Vox, but part of arguing in good faith is to admit that you made a mistake when you're called out on it. If you double down on it, that's called lying.

Blogger pyrrhus December 07, 2017 4:15 PM  

There is only one chance for western society in the long run, which is walling off or systematically eliminating the huge dysgenic breeding pool of unfit humans (as England did up to 1850), and restricting breeding to the remaining group, as India did within its top two castes. Don't count on it happening....

Blogger VD December 07, 2017 4:15 PM  

Even stronger sign you're losing the argument - banning those who disagree.

You're banned, Buybuyanddavis. Feel free to celebrate your "victory" elsewhere. Try to comment again and your comments will all be spammed.

You weren't banned for disagreeing. You were banned for lying.

Blogger rumpole5 December 07, 2017 4:32 PM  

Yes, quite possible. But then that is the problem with the subjective term "peak". In many ways the Borg WERE more "peak" than the many peoples they digested.

Whether humanity's present course is toward the sublime peak or degraded nadir is entirely a matter of very subjective opinion. But,surely we have not completed our race.

Anonymous Azimus December 07, 2017 5:40 PM  

VD:
"more societally destructive concept than communism"

It's going to take quite a heap of bodies to surpass communism. Then again, there are historical examples. In your opinion would the Napoleonic Wars, rooted in the French Revolutionary Wars and French Revolution itself, be considered a disaster of civic nationalism?

Blogger Danby December 07, 2017 5:40 PM  

Bye-bye Dan Davis.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab December 07, 2017 6:01 PM  

We can't have reached peak humanity before we men all look like Dolph Lundgre and the women like Allison Stokke.

Anonymous Killua December 07, 2017 6:05 PM  

OT: Killua- did you see that your namesake is fighting with 2 jewish yoyos?

Just noticed.

There are lots of religious symbolism in Hunter x Hunter.

Anonymous BBGKB December 07, 2017 6:13 PM  

Who would have thought memory problems less recognizable in blacks would be admited?

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/geriatric-psychiatry/impact-racial-differences-alzheimer-biomarkers

Blogger Johnny December 07, 2017 6:41 PM  

>>In your opinion would the Napoleonic Wars, rooted in the French Revolutionary Wars and French Revolution itself, be considered a disaster of civic nationalism?

Well I am not VD, but as best I can recall the initial wars following the revolution were more defensive than anything. They were beating off groups that thought somebody else should be running France.

The wars that Napoleon launched may or may not be regarded as part of the revolution, depending on the historian. But regardless of that and claimed motives, it was Napoleon putting together an empire run by Frenchmen.

Blogger SirHamster December 07, 2017 7:01 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> With the crispr gene editing technology we will be able to pretty much produce (and "improve") whatever physical characteristics we want.

Biological improvements are still biologically based and have biological limits. Yes, you may get to 200 years instead of 100, but that's all you're looking at.


50 years to detect 2nd generation bugs from your improvements!

What could possibly go wrong?

If you're fortunate, you only created a bunch of sterile mules ... in a worst case scenario, you shat in the entire human gene pool before you realized what you did.

Anonymous Rocklea December 07, 2017 7:29 PM  

"What a load of nonsense. With the crispr gene editing technology we will be able to pretty much produce (and "improve") whatever physical characteristics we want. Moreover, we will be able to implant digital devices for direct vs access and communication."

I used to think the same, but it amounts to this:

Put it on the table or it doesn't exist.
Engineering remember.

Blogger dvdivx December 07, 2017 9:00 PM  

"Slaying a shipwrecked foreigner would be against Divine law as spoken in Deuteronomy. You send the foreigner politely on their way back whence they came. "

And that would work so well for pirates, raiders and the mongols all of which would rape and pillage their way across the countryside. Turn the other cheek does not equate to doing nothing while your throat is cut and your daughters raped.

Anonymous Ken7- December 07, 2017 9:15 PM  

Civic nationalism can't work in a black and a brown world.

Blogger Scott Birch December 07, 2017 11:28 PM  

Peace and plenty hurt us more than anything else.

Anonymous nrxxx December 08, 2017 2:37 AM  

That's why Republican opposition to eugenic abortion is cuckservative.

Blogger Kona Commuter December 08, 2017 4:03 AM  

I think this is appropriate here -> https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4746212/vladimir-putin-russia-super-human-soldiers-nuclear-bomb/

Anonymous Athor Pel December 08, 2017 7:18 AM  

" 75. Blogger Metric December 07, 2017 3:03 PM
>> Is it possible to be a conservative Christian and look forward to a technological civilization well beyond the confines of the earth?

>Why wouldn't it be?

I ask because of end-time prophecy. If you're looking forward to the colonization of the galaxy, over timescales of millions of years, wouldn't that imply some things about Christian eschatology?
"



Leaving earth and living out there while still staying in contact with earth and other far flung outposts requires an energy budget that we don't have, yet.

The ability to travel interstellar distances as casually and regularly as we drive our cars implies massive amounts of available energy. That amount of energy is enough to burn not just a few square mile area on the surface of the planet, it's enough to break the planet into pieces thereby destroying all life on it. If you can destroy a planet in one stroke you can kill everything in a solar system.

It is a huge responsibility that mankind right now does not have the maturity to handle.

Blogger James Dixon December 08, 2017 9:06 AM  

> I ask because of end-time prophecy. If you're looking forward to the colonization of the galaxy, over timescales of millions of years, wouldn't that imply some things about Christian eschatology?

Who's looking forward to colonization of the galaxy? Right now it would be all we could do to get off this planet and establish colonies within the solar system. Unless we can develop a faster than light drive, expansion beyond that simply isn't that likely.

But if you think even interstellar colonization really makes a difference to Christian prophecies, I'm willing to listen to the exact details of how it would do so. I don't see any problem myself.

> 50 years to detect 2nd generation bugs from your improvements!

Some people apparently don't use software on a regular basis. otherwise their optimism about our ability to create bug free solutions would be lessened considerably. I'm waiting for the first GMO crops disaster to hit. It's only a matter of time.

Blogger kurt9 December 08, 2017 10:25 AM  

Great Endumbening? I'd call it the great enstupidation.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 08, 2017 10:30 AM  

Not terribly worried about genetic disasters.  They'll be tested in animal models first, and anything that's mainly active during development will show any problems before maturity.

As for GMOs, that's why we have seed banks.

Blogger James Dixon December 08, 2017 4:21 PM  

> They'll be tested in animal models first

Which may or may not be applicable to humans. There's a reason we don't release drugs to the market once animal testing is completed.

Anonymous Mr. Rational December 08, 2017 7:43 PM  

Also, we don't have to create novel genes.  If we have examples of people with the phenotypes we want, we can copy the genes which created them.  The only thing you'd need to test is the process for gene-splicing to be sure it's accurate, not the result per se.  That can certainly be done in animal models.

Of course, to do it in humans you'd have to test it a bunch of times before you actually took it to live birth.  Some would condemn that as "abortion".

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